Every car manufacturer, even in the USA, harms people with their cars. Even a battery car emits particulate matter. If you really want to put something sensible on the road, it's the FCEV. That frees the air from particulate matter.
FCEV needs 2 to 3 times more energy than an EV for the same range.
>hydrogen cars are only half as efficient. If an electric car converts 86% of the energy originally harnessed by a wind turbine into moving the vehicle forward, the hydrogen car has access to only about 45%.
Energy generation is the main source of pollution for an EV over its whole lifetime. So, an FCEV is far worse than EV (however you produce your hydrogen).
> Clean hydrogen is difficult to make, giving an opportunity to the oil industry to easily make cheap hydrogen from refineries, which is not carbon neutral.
It's not and everybody is talking about GREEN hydrogen
> I'm not sure there is enough platinum in the world to make all those cars. Mining platinum might cause additional carbon emissions.
you don't need it to create fuel cells
> Hydrogen is very dangerous because it's highly explosive. Gas is safer in that regard.
I think generally your comments would be more well received if you provide links backing up your statements. Currently your posts just seem to be going through criticisms and simply stating "No, reverse of above statement".
This doesn't lead to a discussion, or informative comment threads.
You can ask for the same in return from those you're interacting with, but considering you're a brand new account seemingly created to provide a counterpoint; it felt worth calling out (with your declining Karma).
Yes, going to answer the same thing, you don't provide sources.
Green hydrogen is difficult to make because of low energy efficiency, which I agree, would be solved with nuclear since nuclear provides a lot of green energy.
Platinum is required for fuel cells, please do a research or provide sources or explain.
>The efficiency compared to battery tech is horrendous.
nope
>Hydrogen is effectively a storage technology -- we have to generate it and compress it. Which combined with the above means that charging a hydrogen car will always be more expensive than putting the same amount of usable energy into a battery powered car.
Nope, 350kw charger -> loss
>Let's not forget that the cheapest way of generating hydrogen is from fossil fuels. Electrolysis is very inefficient.
no, newest one >95%
>Any concern there might exist for the effect on the electrical grid coming battery powered cars multiplies for hydrogen due to the inefficiency.
Nope you get more energy with less area used via pipeline than grid lines
> In the end, a hydrogen car is ultimately electric. What is more convenient, having a car that can be plugged into an outlet, or a car that needs an extremely specialized hydrogen station?
home hydrogen station exist
> IMO the only excitement from hydrogen is for fossil fuel companies, because that's what the vast majority of it is made from, and because it'd be a fairly natural fit into their existing infrastructure.
wrong fossil fuel companies still want to sell fossil fuels. we have to deal with emission inside cities. hydrogen cars cleaning the air while driving. battery cars still emit emissions.
There are some hydrogen boosters who are "good" in that it's honest boosting of good technology. They tend to share good information about PEM tech, for example. But in the last six months they have been drowned out by misinformation spreading accounts that carefully omit any mention of natural gas' role in the next few decades of the future of hydrogen...
That said, I'm not sure that calling out astroturf is appropriate on HN.
Yeah Germany, Japan, South Korea, UK, China, Australia, France, India, California and so on seeing it as the future of cars.
"It is generally considered more ecological than electric, because of much lesser environmental footprint than required for producing batteries.
Another advantage would be bigger driving range and faster refuelling."
And the biggest advantage: you're cleaning the air while driving from particles which harm your health. <- This reason alone is a key factor. Have a look here: https://youtu.be/ormfLJmWGC8
People complained about the emission cheating regarding volkswagen. So everybody who did has to be pro hydrogen car. Because its real emission free. not like a battery car
