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I cannot imagine the paranoia that it would take for me to go through this process.


I cannot imagine the lack of concern about my privacy that it would take to make me daily-drive a car that hadn't been put through this process.

(I dread the day my 2007 Civic is no longer usable.)


Not to mention, people kept saying "Who cares, you're being silly" then multiple companies were caught selling into to insurance companies.


This is why I hate the online car owner forums. Car owners ask reasonable questions like these and people sneer in their replies saying "that's a horrible idea" as if somehow every car owner agreed to universal tracking into telemetry and is totally fine with it.


My daily is a 1997 Range Rover. You want to update the computer? Sure, you need to remove the desktop PC-sized box of 68HC11-family chips from under the driver's seat and desolder the two big 144-pin ones.


Get a determined ex-partner who knows a lot about you and wants to harm you or kidnap your children. For most people this represents the greatest immediate risk with this kind of data.


How will they get access to this data? Hax into Toyota to track this one specific Rav4?



Step 1. Be very, very single

When I was a younger man, audio visual forums used to have an unfortunately sexist, but fairly good conceptual measure they called “wife acceptance factor”. It should really just be partner acceptance factor. Regardless of whom you are with, I hope they would physically intervene before letting you do this. What is the point? All of these posts feel like they miss the forest for the trees. Don’t like This Modern World? Fair enough, start by leaving your phone at home. Pay cash. And so forth. The author’s problems would be better solved by taking the bus. If you’re going to get into messing with cars, the wiring harness is not the place to start. Every trip to the dealer or any other mechanic is going to be painful right up until you finally give up and try to private sale the vehicle. At some point in that process, after you have dropped the price by over half the Kelley Blue Book value (or whatever Palantir shit replaces that) you may actually hear yourself explaining to the pleasantly smiling with a certain look in their eye non buyer about how you had to do this.

I will admit my bias. Fair play to the author for putting this all together but it reads like a very intricate aluminum foil hat.


Counterpoints:

1) My auto insurance is already too expensive. I have zero interest in "oh yeah we had to add to your driver factor because telematics says you exceeded the speed limit 11 times last year :^)". Less tracking is just a bonus.

2) He made no irreversible changes to the vehicle. Just keep the part and plug it back in when you need it for service/inspection or whatever.

3) "Telematics disabled" probably adds to the resale value of the car.


So the authors goal is to reduce his car's ability to transmit his data to Toyota.

His solution: disconnect the cell modem

Your solution: Be single, never drive a car ever, and leave your phone at home.

?????


Honey.


What are you talking about? People sell used cars with broken stuff all the time. You don't have to tell the buyer that you intentionally broke that feature. The mechanics that I use would all consider this modification entirely reasonable and not say anything about it after you explained yourself.

Also my spouse is just as paranoid as this guy is and when I told her what new vehicles collect she was happy she had an older model car. So this is not really a thing.


My mother always told us, “fits find each other”.

So happy to maniacs did.


I honestly can't either. A lot of people drive around with navigation set on their phones which also track every movement and knows your exact location and travel speed, might even know how aggressive you drive based on accelerometer data and all that info can be uploaded from navigation app like Waze which is very popular


You'll never feel ready but you will always be ready. One of my biggest regrets is not having kids sooner


Probably good you are taking yourself out of the gene pool


If idiocracy is good then yes.


Talking to a psychotherapist or reading fiction might help you feel more at ease. It's a crazy, contradictory world. I wish you well.


Love seinfield's quote about kids -

"One of the nice things God does, is that he doesn't let people who don't have kids know what they're missing"


One of the nice things about not having teenage daughters is you don't have to worry about Jerry Seinfeld hanging around.


because its open source.


A license doesn't matter if the perpetrator doesn't comply with it.


Open source licence requires attribution which obviously it is not done in this case.


No it doesn’t? Depends on the license


I doubt that there is any open source license that don't require attribution but we are talking about a specific case and the license require it [1]

[1] https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.5/blob/main/LICENS...


Like licenses are worth anything in the AI world…


Bold idea but too much money on the other side to let this gain traction


You are saying exactly, and I mean exactly, what they would want.

Dismissing an avenue of progress outright is to be defeatist or to sow defeat.

AI is going to use all this information against us. Because AI alignment can’t be better than people and corporations deploying the AI.

Lack of privacy is now a gaping security hole, being continually exploited on all our devices, across most sites on the internet.

[EDIT: And the leverage that information enables is being auctioned off to manipulators who we are exposed to continuously. This is just the beginning.]

We need to plug this security hole now, before power centralizes further and we can’t.


Google, TTD, Applovin, Magnite, Roku, Freewheel, + 100 more adtech and martech companies.

Lets add Facebook, twitter, openai, claude + all the others.

then lets add Flock, Palantir.

Do you honestly think the lobbying from them would be more or less if this bill gained any traction?


Of course they are going to resist. That is the terrain.

That doesn’t change the critical need to make progress.

Surrendering power, even when apparently outgunned, is a far more insidious enemy than opposition.


Amen! And, in fact, the harder they fight, the harder our resolve.


> Do you honestly think the lobbying from them would be more or less if this bill gained any traction?

Small communities are thwarting these companies’ datacenter buildouts. The difference is they show up. Defeating privacy in tech is easy because there is no functional opposition.


> too much money on the other side to let this gain traction

This view is unfortunately common among regular privacy advocates. That makes them politically useless.

To have a hope, this bill needs to target support outside tech, where civic laziness and nihilism are normalized. I’m not seeing any indication of that strategy here.


My old CEO - ex sun/greenplum/pivotal swore that sending an email in lowercase forced the other person to read the whole message and not skim.


ItisevenbetterwhenyoudropthespacesthatREALLYforcespeopletoengagewithyourcontent. FormaaimxlgarbteihratttenionandHLODitscrmblaetheintreiorofwrdos! /s


On top of using scriptio continua, you can write your emails in ancient Greek for that truly authentic feeling.


you running a server or local llms with a need for 512?


Server stuff. Nothing interesting. Supermicro H11 + Epyc 7xxx + RAM. I have a 6x4090 setup for local LLMs and I got myself a 128 GB M4 Max laptop thinking I'd do that, but if I'm being honest I need to get rid of that hardware. It's sitting idle because the SOTA ones are so much better for what I want.


they prob be upset about the 13th 15th and 19th amendments too


Yea they would have had no issue with flock if it was for capturing escaped enslaved people


They aren't a monolithic group. There was a wide range of opinions on slavery and many other topics. Do a bit of research.


The only acceptable opinion today should be that slavery of all stripes, practiced both before the emancipation proclamation, as well as today in both prison settings and trafficking, is abhorrent.


With all the hate of Flock Online interesting that they were able to find the killer so fast


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