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9 millions downloads in 10 years, expressjs has 12 millions download per week (if you want to go by that metric).


My whole point is that languages like like Js or Java are not a good metric, and you don't have to be as popular as the top handful of languages to be mainstream.


> you don't have to be as popular as the top handful of languages to be mainstream.

I thought being in the top is the definition of 'mainstream': 'most people use it, know it, learn it, ...'.


Mainstream is typically taken to be known and widely used which Clojure is. You seem to have a personal much more restrictive definition which only includes the top few languages for reasons unstated.


> Mainstream is typically taken to be known and widely used which Clojure is.

But Clojure is neither widely known nor widely used. The last Clojure survey was done by just 2500 people.

> You seem to have a personal much more restrictive definition which only includes the top few languages for reasons unstated.

The top ten languages are all two orders of magnitude more used than Clojure. They are mainstream. Literally they have millions of users. That's the definition of mainstream. Mainstream pop: the music most people hear and which dominates the charts. No one would claim that free jazz is mainstream, even though it has some stable fan group.


For a language that's not widely known it's weird how Clojure features in Stack Overflow and JVM surveys. Meanwhile, it's also strange that a language that's not widely used finds its ways into all kinds of well known companies.




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