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> they just don’t care about teachers

I think you mean, they don’t care about students? Because that’s truly who is hurt here.



> > they just don’t care about teachers

> I think you mean, they don’t care about students? Because that’s truly who is hurt here.

It is true in some transitive sense that the people making these decisions don't care about students, but insisting on that phrasing seems either hostile to, or at least minimising of the importance of and impact on, teachers.

The school or district administration's role is to care for the students, yes, but (at least in the classroom) they do that indirectly, by choosing, training, and equipping skilled and qualified teachers.

An administration who is showing contempt for its teachers is thus, indirectly, showing contempt for its students; but it's directly showing contempt for its teachers, and cutting them out of the story says that the harm they experience is not important. Teachers already are, like so many essential workers, expected to do their job endlessly without any commensurate reward; what is the point of denying the harm (for example, by saying or implying that they aren't truly hurt) that is done to them when they are not given even the basic tools to translate their passion for teaching and care for their students into commensurate results?

(I would also be opposed to someone responding to claims of harm to the students by saying "why not focus on the teachers?—they're the ones who are truly hurt." There's no monopoly on suffering; we can acknowledge one group's suffering without pretending that they're the only ones.)


I don’t think you have to go that deep. We can simply say they don’t care at all.

If we’re hair picking students vs. teachers then it is likely political distinction.


I mean, for every 20-30 kids, there’s also an adult trying to educate them. Everyone’s fucked in the situation, and all you need to do is follow the money to understand the motivations. For example, my wife has to take real time attendance on a zoom call every morning in a 30 minute window, when everything else can be asynchronous. Why? Because schools are funded by attendance of the students, and they couldn’t be bothered to think of an alternative way to handle things.


Not that your wife can do anything about it, but...

My daughter has been doing online school for two years now with a school system that has been online only for about 10 years.

Their hack was to give the kids one assignment per day. A missed assignment = 1 absence. An assignment turned in a day late = 1 tardy. The teachers post the weeks assignments on weekend (before Monday morning) and it's up to the kids to determine when/how they will get them done (which is why she attends this school, as it gives her a lot of flexibility to do the other things she is interested in).


> my wife has to take real time attendance on a zoom call every morning in a 30 minute window

Holy crap this is an incredibly stupid thing to be forced to do.


The teachers will work themselves into an early grave just to help the kids. Nobody's doing that for teachers. Teachers are more at risk of actually dying when in-person learning is forced on them as some school districts have done. And they have their livelihood to think about (many live a little more than paycheck to paycheck).

Comparatively, the kids aren't dying, they don't have bills to pay, they don't work overtime. Their parents may even be able to pull them from school, or homeschool. Worst case they might be held back a year.

The students will survive this, but the teachers literally might not.


hundereds of people a weel in the US die driving, many of them going to and from work.


Hundreds of working people also die from floods, too. I'm not sure why that's relevant here, though. Are you against traffic laws and flood control?

Will not protecting teachers from covid somehow keep them from getting in traffic accidents? I suspect the opposite is true.


This is almost a hysterical response, there are so many more dangerous jobs where people actually die but because they are not academics no one literally ever cared. Thinking covid is some grave danger to teachers now when we know about the disease is insane.


The point is we accept a certain level of risk in going to work.


The point you've just tried to make is that it's fine to force teachers to risk death in a classroom, because they might also get hit by a car driving into work? You need to work on your rhetoric.


We force people to risk death driving to work, why is covid different?


Because people shouldn't have to increase their risk of death significantly just to have the privilege of having housing and food. The comparison is ridiculous. It's like saying, you already have a low risk of death by colon cancer, so why not eat things that dramatically increase your risk of cancer. Do you want them to die?


Can't it be both? I think it's both.


It seems like they're focused on politics, since that's what gets them paid. If school choice comes around, they'll probably change their priorities.




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