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"No. Teleology has a goal in mind and evolution has been seen to run down dead ends many, many times. All of the extinct species are dead ends."

The best way I've heard it described is like dropping a marble into a bowl. The marble will go up and down and wobble around but will eventually settle at the bottom of the bowl. In other words, it would basically be encoded into the universe as a preference that over time would win out.

"All of the extinct species. The fact the human eye has a blind spot whereas the squid eye does not."

Just because not all matter in the universe is condensed into a single point doesn't mean that gravity doesn't exist. Sometimes things get further apart, sometimes things get closer together, but gravity still exists.

"That mix of simplicity and increased predictive power makes the non-teleological theories a lot better than the previous teleological ones."

I'm not arguing that teleology is a better scientific theory than evolution; it's not. But just because it's a crappy scientific theory (well, actually it's not even a theory) doesn't mean that it's less likely that there are some sort of teleological forces baked into the universe, e.g. a preference for the creation and preservation of novelty.



It sounds like you're using analogies to "prove" your point, rather than using evidence to prove and analogies to illustrate. This is a very common theme in my experience with arguments in favor of an external force guiding evolution (and other unprovable subjects). If we're not careful, thinking by analogy can lead us to believing incorrectly that irrelevant attributes of the analogy actually apply to the universe.


Except I'm not arguing in favor of an external force. Tokenadult said there was no external force, I said we can't know if there is an external force.


> I said we can't know if there is an external force.

Can you know for sure you're not the Queen of England?


Depends on your definition of 'know'. There is an entire subfield of philosophy devoted to this question.




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