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None of those things require openclaw. You could accomplish them with something like Google Drive and Claude Code CLI.


> None of those things require openclaw.

OpenClaw was never meant to be a tool that could do things you couldn't do without it.

Also, whenever someone points out you could accomplish something without it, he underestimates the effort needed. In the examples I'm thinking of, someone simply asked OpenClaw to do something, had a few back and forths with it, and it was done. I have yet to see someone say "Oh, I can do that without OpenClaw" and go ahead and do it within 10 minutes.

Not once.

OpenClaw is flawed, but the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else.


> the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else.

You offered nothing to support this. My openclaw is realistically just an agent in discord versus the CLI. That's not an "order of magnitude" more convenient. Anthropic already has a tool for it https://code.claude.com/docs/en/remote-control


> You offered nothing to support this.

You've got it inverted. My point is the people saying "You could have done that just as easily with ..." are the ones not supporting it. The commenter has already built that thing with OpenClaw. If someone is saying it could easily have done without it - well, demonstrate it!


It appears that you are confusing who has the burden of proof here. It is the one making the claim contrary to the status quo.

Hint: the status quo is not that openclaw is a tech that is magnitudes better than using LLMs without it.

Listing a bunch of things that are just normal LLM things as reasons why openclaw is great is not making that case.


Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Status quo has nothing to do with it.


You should revisit the burden of proof then. Status quo is most certainly an important part.

Regardless, their claim was "OpenClaw is flawed, but the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else."

And they attempted to shift the burden when I asked for substantiation.


Status quo influences how good your proof has to be (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence) but not who needs to bring it.



What a bizarre article. The morality of recreational torture is not a matter of factual correctness. Burden of proof is not a concept that makes any sense when there’s a disagreement over morality. You can make arguments for your position and those arguments may involve factual claims which can be proven or disproven, but the underlying morality can’t.

And then it ends with that sudden left turn into denouncing atheists as inherently irrational and evil. WTF?

Congratulations on bringing an argument so terrible that I’m actually more convinced of my position after having read it than I was before.


It appears that analytic philosophy may not be for you.


If it thinks I’m evil then clearly they don’t want me.


> Anthropic already has a tool for it Yes, but Anthropic built this tool after OpenClaw, because of OpenClaw.


The difference is I would have to do that myself. It has access to gdrive and cc and does it for me when I send it a message in chat. Sometimes when I’m out I even just send it voicys.


Method 1: run Claude Code in YOLO mode and use natural language instructions to get something done

Method 2: send natural language instructions to OpenClaw to use Claude Code to do the same thing

Sorry my tiny brain says to me method 2 is doing the same thing with extra steps


I can have multiple conversations on multiple topics always accessible via different discord channels, all with a shared memory, without that memory being held in a continually degrading context window.

One channel - reminders for medications, and recording my dosage. Another - "research this fancy new tech thing for me". Another - "let's continue work on that side project we started last week". And then in another - "create a dashboard of my meds dosage using that fancy new tech thing we were talking about yesterday". And of course finally "any urgent emails this morning?".

All without finding, creating, or setting up multiple apps or scripts for each individual task. If I have another idea, I just tell it what I want it to do, or ask it how we can make it happen.


You're contradicting yourself here. Are you controlling it yourself or not? lol


It’s task dependent.


None of those require Claude Code CLI either, you could develop their workflows with a script (bash, python) and any quality LLM.


Just an example of how I would accomplish them. The obsession with openclaw is generally misguided. The 'magic' is the LLM. I'm running an OC instance on a server in my home, I have experience here.




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