FWIW, Naza appears to be a fairly in depth documentary where Israeli soldiers give detailed accounts on how the Gaza war worked from the inside, including expansive targets, and well known high civilian death toll.
The immediate response to the 10/7 infiltration attack was extremely lethal to Israelis as well, something not well covered outside of Israeli media.
28 helicopters emptied their internal stores of 30mm autocannon and Hellfires that day, with many RTB to rearm/refuel, all of them at dense Israeli territory. Seven of them dumped their entire stores into Moshav Tkuma. To this day all deaths there are tallied to the infiltrators, with the exception of Efrat Katz. Rapid bulldozer burial of damaged vehicles and buildings was also performed, as the damage from those weapons is very distinctive. Not a gesture of honesty, that.
Tanks were also instructed to fire their main armament into houses known to have civilians inside. Israeli corpses were, again, tallied to infiltrators; any non-Israeli corpses tallied as hostile.
Pilots, soldiers, tankists, and UAS operators all asked over the radio for targets that day, but were simply directed to apply maximal fires to anything that moved in a Palestinian-like way. Hannibal was cited as justification. The Israeli Hannibal operational order, which directs the use of force to prevent soldiers being taken into captivity, was apparently being cited over the air to justify the deaths of civilians. An extreme distortion, but one which Israelis are increasingly making their peace with, alongside many others.
I'm not defending Israel as the minister is clearly wrong here, but surely silencing critics by killing them (what Iran is accused of) is quite a bit more severe than removing citizenship?
Funniest comment I’ve read all day, thanks. Never seen someone make light of a government rendering someone stateless. Especially rich in the context of an apartheid state.
Are you saying your own comment is funniest your read all day? If not then I am quite confused because I never made light of anything and made it clear that it was the wrong thing to do. I just think comparing murder and removing citizenship is not a great comparison.
If anybody made light of anything it was the person I was responding to.
Israel has murdered journalists in Gaza. That would be the better comparison to Iran's actions. I don't think Israel removing citizenship has an equal comparison with anything Iran has done.
>Named for the Hebrew military acronym for collateral damage, the film speaks to 24 unidentified Israeli military and intelligence officers who outlined the AI-powered targeting systems used by the Israeli army to bombard Gaza in the war triggered by the Hamas-led attack on 7 October 2023.
Israel is the only developed country in the entire world with birth rates above replacement level. Meaning that the moral sensibilities of the rest of the developed world are nonviable. Can you explain to me how that’s fascism?
This was always my argument. They’re very obviously lying but I should have stated that in my original comment. It’s so obvious that they are lying that I forgot to state that was my position.
"We have lots of babies so it can't be fascism" is a really out-there argument I'm having trouble following. It's like posting "Turtle is purple ice cream 203-B"; I don't follow.
I'm not certain "start a war with half the region that gets the other friendlier half of the region's entire economic engine blown up by Iran" counts as viable in the long run.
You live in stolen land, surrounded by people that hate you (the number which is growing daily), run by genocidal thugs who are on a fascist death drive. That is non viable, pal.
People have been saying this exact thing about Israel for 70 years. This is really just cope, meanwhile it is your society which is dying (assuming you’re a Westerner).
Israel will survive because God is watching over her, as he promised 3000 years ago. And as he promised to watch over the Jewish people even in exile, and has protected them for 2000 years despite many attempts by many nations to eradicate them, and has brought them back from the four corners of the world to the Land of Israel, as was foretold in the ancient prophecies.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
38 You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you. 39 Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their ancestors’ sins they will waste away.
44 Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord.’”
Our societies are both committing suicide by fascism. Do you think any country in the world will tolerate the existence of "Israel" in the wake of this genocide? I expect every single Israeli citizen who ever served in the IDF (most Israeli people) to have to face trial for conspiracy to genocide and crimes against humanity at The Hague. Participating in Israel's military apparatus has been clearly and openly genocidal since the Nakhba at least.
“Social conditioning” does not strictly determine the birth rate of developed nations. For that you must look at economic policy making it financially untenable to build a family. What you conveniently ignore here is Israel’s own economic policy of subsidizing orthodox jewish families, which is the main source of that growth.
The economic argument is very obviously wrong. Poor people generally have more children, in the first world and then of course in the third world which does almost universally have above replacement birth rates.
In Ancient Rome various tax breaks and other incentives were given to people to encourage them to have children, none of it worked.
As far as the ultra orthodox go, non-orthodox Israeli Jews also have above replacement birth rates.
If you have below replacement birth rate it means that more people die than are born, meaning that eventually your society will die out. By definition this means that your system of morality is non viable, it cannot produce a society that can perpetuate itself.
Generally speaking from a historical perspective, no society has ever recovered from low birth rates. Once you reach that stage it’s terminal. This has happened many times in the past
This may have less to do with morals and more with populations adjusting their growth as needed naturally.
The population of world Jews has still not recovered from the Holocaust, and needs exponential growth to catch up.
Most other developed countries have saturated populations due to advances in medicine and life expectancy, and a downward adjustment wouldn’t hurt them, and is likely to lower the price of housing and food etc with lower demand.
As soon as those populations go below a certain point, growth will kick back in - if only because the minority of the population who do want more kids will grow faster, and it will be easier for them as resources will have become cheaper.
I said a developed country, “democracy” means different things to different people, it’s basically a nonsense term.
Generally speaking dissent should be tolerated but there’s a line between dissent and treason. This is not something you can navigate or make sense of in a Western liberal frame since it has no notion of a society, only the individual, but also, again, Western liberal societies are dying (they have below replacement birth rates).
They actually do. They mean you think there's a "chosen people" that's so special that it is morally correct to exterminate other peoples through military means so that yours may thrive. The terms just express this in a condensed form.
If you have finite resources within a given area then there’s going to be conflict between different tribes of people in that area, regardless of any particular feelings or notions of superiority.
“Militaristic” as opposed to societies which don’t have a military or who refuse to use it. This is only a concept which makes sense in a modern context where people are so decadent and neutered that this could even be a thing (not having any sort of martial capacity).
By definition if you are a Zionist Jew you would not be living in New York or anywhere outside of Israel, if you had the means to do so which nearly all Jews do given the support from the Israeli government, they will even pay for your flight.
You could also be "volksdeutsch". Like slavik people from former German territory or at least German influenced. They could be proper Nazis but with for instance polish background. Don't ask me how it actually works out but you asked...
Some would have been Aryan, but you'd be naive to assume Nazism has exclusively white Aryan followers. And anyway, It doesn't matter. Ethnicity and political beliefs are categorically different things. You're engaging in an antisemitic trope by conflating Israeli and Jewish values.
Was it ethnic cleansing the way we persecuted and prosecuted Nazis post WW2? Despite them mostly making up and representing the Aryan ethnic group? Zionism is a political position distinctly different to Judaism.
Let me ask you a question - Can we ascribe blame to all Jews if the state of Israel were to do something bad?
> Was it ethnic cleansing the way we persecuted and prosecuted Nazis post WW2?
No, just as it wouldn't be ethnic cleansing to evict one Jewish person. We convicted a relatively tiny handful of Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Georg_Kiesinger eventually served as chancellor of West Germany!
> Can we ascribe blame to all Jews if the state of Israel were to do something bad?
Certainly not. But kicking them all out of NYC would still be ethnic cleansing!
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