I clicked the link to be opened in a new tab - and continued what I was doing.
I heard that beeping sound, and was completely baffled where it was coming from (didn't sound like it was coming from the speakers).
You should have seen me picking up papers on my desk listening to them. I listened to every potential port on my phone to see if it was giving off this sound.
I felt like I was going crazy while I was doing it, but I just couldn't figure out the source of the sound. Thinking back, if a camera was in my office, that woulda been hella funny to watch.
Did the same thing too, couldn't find the source at all since it didn't sound like it came from the computer. Thought my phone had gone nuts because it had no indication at all of any alarm...
One of the reasons I'm really happy about the feature to show what tab is playing sound in chrome. I was somewhat freaked out as well but only until I saw the movement in one of the tabs.
Typical Google. Uninformative, trite, bland, uninspired user experience. That's the best auditory indicator they could find? The following may not be a popular statement here, but it seems Google is still overrun by engineers that are humanoid-challenged. With all due respect to engineers, engineers are not human readable.
which comes up top of the google search results for "timer for 1 hour" for me. Now there is absolutely no way they can compete with Google's own offering from an SEO perspective.
While this example is trivial to some extent, does it set a precedent that while you can advertise and compete with Google, they can always have the unfair advantage at being top of the list.
A counter-point to your argument. While I know Google offers calculator functions, and unit of measurement conversions, I usually don't know the exact format to use which will key the special functions. Typically searching Google for "percentage calculator" or something similar takes you to a site with a clear UI and instruction. Often times this is quicker than randomly entering searches into Google, hoping that my wording will spawn that special function.
So while yes, it's scary/crazy to launch a web app that is so easily clonable for Google, the "general use" nature of Google means that they'll never have these functions as prominent features. This leaves room for simple web apps who do a better job (or at least have a simple UI that is understandable).
the "general use" nature of Google means that they'll never have these functions as prominent features.
Hmm. Why not? Why can't Google continuing builder richer and richer search results, results which become smarter and smarter in matching what users are looking for? The potential level of customisability for a search result/user to a search query is infinite. At higher levels you move beyond the crude "search" metaphor to what Google is really working towards: full brain-augmentation. Not a tool the mind must learn to use, but a tool built to work with the mind, a tool in fact that is tailored perfectly for each and every mind.
It may be trivial, but by my estimation the domain "online-stopwatch.com" gets somewhere in the region of 50k-100k visitors per day as a first-order approximation. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they were making between $300-$500 daily in ad revenue, or somewhere on the order of $100k - $200k per year.
That's exactly my point. What if it wasn't a few lines of code, but something with a hefty investment in, then Google comes in with their own and just puts them top of the list because they can. Users don't get the choice because Google prioritise their own.
> That's exactly my point. What if it wasn't a few lines of code, but something with a hefty investment in, then Google comes in with their own and just puts them top of the list because they can. Users don't get the choice because Google prioritise their own.
Even with the google thing that does the function at the top, users have the choice. If it was a "I'm Feeling Lucky" style redirect (but always to a Google service with no search results page) whenever the query fit a format that keyed a Google-provided service, then the user wouldn't have the choice, but giving you a thing that provides what you think you want as well as links to other pages that might either do what you want or have the information you want doesn't deny you the choice of using those other pages instead of Google's tool.
if it takes you hefty investment, it would also take google hefty investment to replicate your product. Sure you lose the google juice, but you could say the same for any product, and back when microsoft did it, they got sued.
If you provide the best product, even better than what google can provide, it won't matter that google put theirs at the top of their search results. e.g. G+ and facebook - no matter how hard google is promoting G+, it still hasn't gotten the traction of facebook.
I believe they have Facebook envy and now wants to keep every visitors they get on the site for as long as possible, just like Facebook. This is a departure away from their original philosophy in which their goal was to send users to the most relevant site for the user query as fast as possible.
I hope they haven't forgotten that the reason Yahoo lose out to Google was precisely because of this. Yahoo switched their vision from a search engine to a portal, and their product search engine start to suck.
This is dangerous. The best ad platform (which generates the most revenue) are those that are most efficient at sending traffic to advertiser's properties. Facebook main source of revenue comes from mobile app install ads which direct users to the app store for download, and page post ads, which sends traffic to advertiser's website.
A change in priority to hold users as long as possible on Google search isn't very tenable in the long term.
Google has been keeping users from calculator web sites with its calculator/unit converter since before Mark Zuckerberg even wrote Facemash[1]. A fairly obscure timer feature that only shows up when you search for a particular phrase is nothing like search portals of old, nor is this a departure from the different search result widgets they've had for a decade now.
This feels like a feature that the OS should have but most don't, and I'll use it like I use google as a calculator or as a dictionary: if it's faster to open a tab and put in the query than it is to launch a program or a particular page and start a timer there. I did the same thing when I was on windows and it was faster to ask google than to run "calc" and then do the calculation, and it was the same tradeoff when I switched to a mac and it turned out spotlight could do many calculations even faster with just a command-space.
Agree. What Google did replaced plenty of functionalities that are available on desktop (math, spell-check, dictionary).
But their recent card-based solution to a lot of searches seems to show that they're trying to keep users on Google-owned properties. Try searching for a movie review. You'll notice that everything that pertains to the movie is shown on top and on the right. Clicking on actors lead to yet another google search result with another card on the right. In short, you're being kept within Google.
Does it get you the information you're looking for in as little time as possible? Absolutely. But they're doing this at the expense of the sites they took the data from.
> But they're doing this at the expense of the sites they took the data from
That would be Freebase, which is what it's for.
I'm not really seeing your point for that example, though. Maybe for something simpler it would be true, but if I'm looking for a movie review, the information in the top right isn't sufficient for anything besides seeing a wikipedia summary, a screenshot, and some of the actors in it. Anything deeper would require clicks into the actual content, which is actually an apt analog to a simple timer not replacing anything of substance.
You're right that they keep you on Google, and that they're taking market share from sites that used to serve such queries. From a consumer's perspective, it's possibly a better experience than it used to be, though. The only risk (which you alluded to) is that they lose focus on making a good quality search engine because they're too busy making little widgets. I don't think there's any evidence that's happening, though.
I don't think it's to hold users on Google as long as possible: it's to give users what they're looking for as soon as possible.
I was looking for a timer utility the other day. I googled "timer 10 minutes", and got back a list of options, with no way to choose one that was actually good (the top result claimed it had an audio indicator but it didn't work, so I ended up missing the end of the ten minutes). Likewise, I used to Google for weather forecasts -- then pick a site, wait for all its chrome to load, and then get my forecast. Now, I search for what I want and get it right away. If I don't like Google's version, I just scroll down to the search results.
At first, their only way to get users what they wanted was to get them off the site; the goal is still to get users what they want as soon as possible -- there's just a better way to do so now.
The problem with this approach is that when someone creates a better weather site and the Web decides that it's good, it won't become the top result, because Google's weather functionality is already hardcoded to be the top result.
The right solution is for Google to open up the SERP in a limited way, allow sites to put their widgets there and let them compete. This is tricky (tech, business, UX...) but it's doable and it would be better for the future of the Web.
Yahoo! didn't switch their vision from a search engine. Yahoo! was a portal long before it was a search engine. In ye olden times, Yahoo! maintained a curated list of hierarchically organized links. That was their core product.
I would argue that Yahoo! lost to Google because Yahoo!'s business was in approximating a solution to a problem that users had, and Google came along and figured out a way to much more directly address that problem. Curated lists were better than nothing, and for a long time, it was the best thing available. Google simply built a new type of thing that made the old way immediately obsolete.
A precedent has already been set a while ago with Google's calculator [1], Knowledge Graph [2] and whatnot.
Search engines' goal is to deliver information and services to their users as fast as possible. If they can provide those themselves, it's a win both for them and their users.
Agreed. From the consumer-centric perspective, if Google's solution is "good enough" it will halt their search. However, if there is a better solution needed, they will continue to look to the results below the search. Providing value-add on top of what Google's auto-reply gives you is how a site can differentiate itself.
I used to do a Google search for [mlb standings] and click through to the top search result. Now I just look at the onebox Major League Baseball standings results instead.
I've also noticed the results of a search for [Olympic medal count] steadily improve every two years so that I no longer need to click through to any search results to see the data I want.
In a way, yes it seems quite bad that Google has enough power to just completely destroy small sites like that. But when it's a lot better from a user perspective just to instantly see the result than to navigate to some poorly designed ad-ridden mess to get what they need.
Sometimes I think that your only option as an affiliate in these markets now is to brand yourself so heavily (MoneySuperMarket, for instance) that people search for your brand, understanding what you do, rather than trying to rank first for the generic term (compare insurance, cheap insurance etc) and hope they click your link.
Even if Google's offering for some of these things is still not as pushed as it could be today, what's to say they won't butcher your traffic / revenue tomorrow?
Not the same feature. Those Google Code pages have better PageRank than the corresponding Github ones (older pages more links?). I don't think Google Code is given any preferential treatment in the results--if so, the UI would be presented differently.
Yet again I am reminded that my google is not necessarily the same as 'your' google
Just like how "define: something" doesn't show a dictionary definiton for me anymore, a functionality i used all the time. And now can't be sure whether was actually removed, or just removed for me!
Google software engineer here. These gripes are legitimate. We want our users be able to depend on our features and services, and if you can't do that, we're letting you down.
But I would beg for a bit more patience and understanding on this one point: it's not like we have one server that all our users connect to. When new features roll out, it's inevitable that some users will see the new features before others do. Also, there are often complex legal issues affecting how products are released in different countries. Okay, that's two points. :-)
When I'm in the US, I deliberately navigate to a European Google site (usually google.co.uk) in order to get their onebox flight schedule search results. I really enjoy seeing a full timetable of published flights for the week when I do a search for "[flights lhr fra]". Doing the same search in the US, and seeing the new Google Flights ad instead of the old timetable onebox, is infuriating.
That's actually pretty ridiculous if you think about it. Almost any other website displays the same info wherever you're from and if it doesn't, it's considered an anti-pattern (and rightly so).
I remember, back in the day, Google didn't used to do this. That was 8-10 years ago, though. At first it was interesting, a curiosity, seemingly clever. But from the start it was annoying (at least, it was, in a global community centred around ways to search the web) because there is no easy way to select what "view" of the website you want to see. (there were ways but they kept changing, and I didn't keep up)
Maybe that is the worst anti-pattern. Most websites that change their entire behaviour depending on what IP you came from, at least offer the option to select a different behaviour, or specify from what locale you want your perspective.
Best would be if one could simply link to such a perspective, so that this article would actually make sense to everyone, instead of just the people that live in the "correct" part of the world ... :)
I got this working by creating a new user in Chrome and searching from my default local https://www.google.com.hk/ site.
The following attempts all failed: logging out, a different browser, /ncr , incognito, and tor browser. The US site on the new user account also didn't work. Interestingly, all of the u/jfoster examples worked the first time.
I noticed that Google Flights ad box only pops up when your query is served by Google Flights (eg it starts in north america).
So "flights to LON" will not bring up a schedule, while "flights from LON" will. And for most of my purposes, I only care about the destinations, not exact times, so this works fine.
I'm not sure why exactly, but I really hate this. I hate it that sometimes results have a news link and sometimes they don't. I hate that youtube suggestions are tailored to me. There are rational reasons. I want the thing I use to be there when I try to find it. But, I dislike it beyond the inconvenience. It just feels wrong, like I'm being probed.
I think the "tailoring to me" problem can be solved by logging out of google and doing the search (or search in incognito mode if you are a chrome user).
However, I wish there was a way to turn off personalized search. That way, Google can remember what I searched (when I am signed in) for but not give me tailored results..
FYI, you can quickly and easily toggle between "private"/"personalized" results and "global" results, right on the search page, by clicking the toggle button with the person and the globe to the top-right of the search results:
I believe you have identified the cause. Switching javascript off and on between queries makes the define: operator stop working and then return to working. I block cookies and don't log into google in both cases.
Silly, lazy, javascript-loving google, it used to work just fine without javascript and I don't see anything particularly special about how it works now that should require javascript either.
I don't think laziness has anything to do with it - they want you to have JS turned on. For instance Google Analytics, their powerful tracking tool, is crippled without it.
you need javascript to use the modern web. If you turn it off, stop whining that you've lost functionality. You didn't lose anything, you turned it off.
It's fine when the functionality actually requires JavaScript. The trouble being discussed is when displaying plaintext requires JavaScript for no particularly good reason.
It's 2013. I don't think it's especially unreasonable to assume JavaScript is universally available when developing a feature. As hnriot said, if you choose to browse the web with JavaScript disabled, you accept the fact that large swaths of the 2013 web will not work.
Essentially all of the browser exploits over the last decade have had javascript as a necessary component. Irresponsible use of javascript forces your users to expose themselves to attacks for your convenience. That is abusive and is the kind of thing that will drive away your most sophisticated users who are likely to be be adoption trend-setters for any endeavor not primarily pop-culture oriented.
Google's inertia means they don't have to care, but nearly everybody else has a lot more to lose from alienating those users.
Never knew it, thanks!
You don't know how many times I struggled with getting good result, because I was searching for something in English and Google keep redirecting me to my country's edition (and thus searching on webpages from my country/with my language).
When I was overseas, I just used google.us, which redirects to google.com, since I only searched in English, I didn't speak the language of the country I was living in.
On the subject of definitions, I wish I could set up OS X's 3-finger tap dictionary lookup to give me definitions in other languages. It would be one of the most useful things ever for learning another language. I could start trying to read French or German and triple tap a word and have it give me the translation to English and the dictionary definition in German (which would pop up a window where you could three finger tap again for a word in the definition that you don't yet know)
some·thing
/ˈsəmˌTHiNG/
Pronoun
A thing that is unspecified or unknown: "we stopped for something to eat".
Adverb
Used for emphasis with a following adjective functioning as an adverb: "my back hurts something terrible".
Synonyms
pronoun. anything - some - somewhat - any
adverb. rather - somewhat - some
More info - Wikipedia - Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster
Except that this is a very different approach to being a portal.
Yahoo filled their front-page with items that wouldn't be relevant except for some tiny percentage of the time, such that even if the front page had what you were looking for, it was like a needle in a haystack. Google's approach here is only revealing the portal functionality in response to a specific request for it. It won't kill them, and may even be a competitive advantage for them over any competitor search engine that has superior ranking algorithms.
The philosophy of Google was not to send users to other websites in as little time as possible. It was to give users the correct answer in as little time as possible. If the answer can fit in a tiny utility tool on google.com itself, than that's faster for the user and it's actually a better experience.
Should'nt they try doing some kind of partnership with WolframAlpha which is way ahead in NLP and producing useful results. I would love to see WolframAlpha results integrated within Google when they can be interpreted by the software.
If you want to break it, search for "timer for 23 hours 59 minutes 60 seconds" ... For some reason the code seems to be configured to max out at 24 hours. I am too busy dealing with my own broken JavaScript code to take a look, but maybe someone here can view source and figure out why they made that decision?
> but maybe someone here can view source and figure out why they made that decision?
Chances are it's a classic case of choosing a register size such that the time counter wraps around at 86,400 seconds, and to avoid this, they would have to explicitly include days -- and chose not to.
Well, you can set the timer to 99 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds if you type in the values, so it doesn't seem to make sense that 23:59:60 would break it. I'm really curious as to why that happens.
$ sleep 28800; while :; do cat /etc/termcap; done > /dev/audio
These days /etc/termcap is disappearing from UNIX machines, but back then it was always available. I found it had just the right amount of structure to make a really annoying noise.
Actually this seems ridiculously convenient, if I'm sitting at my computer (which I almost always am). Easier than picking up my phone and setting a timer, even.
Works better than timer / alert functionality of Google Now which is horribly broken. (At first I thought it was just rounding errors, with 25 minutes being set to 24 minutes, but I can't explain a 3 minute difference easily with rounding errors, which has happened to me. )
Seems to be limited to 1 second short of 1 day. What good is that? I want a timer that counts down to my favorite console launch. (I am not saying which one because I figure if I choose the wrong console I won't get any upvotes)
I had to reset all my .google. cookies to work
logged with the Google user it works, but when I sign in with the secondary google apps for domains user it stops working for some reason
This is what they're working on while shutting down Reader? Guh. And yes, I will make a similar comment every time they roll out some inconsequential new product or feature.
you can combine this with the voice option from search, nice way to speak out loud and have this timer set. I've set up a custom shortcut for triggering voice search ( besides the Ctrl+Shift+.) and works like a charm.
I clicked the link to be opened in a new tab - and continued what I was doing.
I heard that beeping sound, and was completely baffled where it was coming from (didn't sound like it was coming from the speakers).
You should have seen me picking up papers on my desk listening to them. I listened to every potential port on my phone to see if it was giving off this sound.
I felt like I was going crazy while I was doing it, but I just couldn't figure out the source of the sound. Thinking back, if a camera was in my office, that woulda been hella funny to watch.